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what people expect from We The North, and what actually happens

You expect screenshots to count as evidence

WeTheNorth addresses

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Printed as supplied, in no order. Nothing here is checked or timed, so an address that opens is not proof of anything. more about the set

#26when it goes wrong

I have photos and screenshots, so I can prove what happened.

what actually happens

An image is something anybody can produce in a minute. The record the platform holds is the thing that cannot be edited, and that is what carries the decision.

The gap: you are bringing material that proves you have image software.

Why images are weak here

Not because anyone assumes you are lying. Because an arbiter has no way to tell an honest image from a made one, and a rule that treats them as strong evidence would immediately be exploited by everybody who noticed. So they get read as illustration rather than proof, which is the only consistent position available.

A photograph has the same problem in a different form. It shows an object and a moment. It cannot establish that the object came from this order, arrived on that day, or is in the state it was when it arrived.

What functions as evidence

Carries weightIllustrative at best
Platform timestamps neither side can editA screenshot of a conversation
The on-platform message threadA message from an outside app
Tracking events as datesA photo of a parcel with no context
A signed message from a vendor keyA retyped quote of what somebody said

The pattern down the left column is that none of it depends on you. It exists in the platform, or it is cryptographically attached to a key, and neither party can shape it after the fact.

Using images properly anyway

They are not worthless. An image can make an argument easier to follow, and easier to follow is worth something to a reader with a queue. Use them as support for a claim that is already carried by the record.

The habit that replaces evidence gathering

Write on the platform, at the time, in plain words. That is the whole of it. A short message on day ten saying nothing has arrived does more work than an album assembled on day twenty, because it is inside the record rather than attached to it. This is the same conclusion as how a dispute is decided, reached from the evidence side.

It also means the moment to start is before there is a problem, which is a hard sell and is still the truth.

One exception is worth naming. If a vendor made a specific commitment, quote it from the thread rather than describing it. A quoted line with a date attached is part of the record and reads as such. The same commitment paraphrased later becomes your account of a conversation, which is the weakest form the same fact can take.

Questions people send about this

What about a screenshot of a signed message?

The signature is what matters, so paste the signed text itself. An image of it cannot be verified by anyone.

Can I use messages from another app?

They can be quoted and they carry little weight. Anything that matters belongs in the platform thread while it is happening.